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Interview: Chris Carter on “Triangle”

Recently, the “X-Files Diaries” podcast interviewed Chris Carter on his season 6 directorial riff on Hitchock’s “Rope”, the excellent fan-favorite “Triangle”! Carter was glad to get into the details here, on story choices, on technical details of making the episode itself, and reflecting back on the series that we cherish so many years later. Some insights on the larger structure of the series too — MSR and the mythology! Here is my summary/notes:

  • He got the technical details of one camera reel holding 12 minutes while shooting in Vancouver. 
  • He was interested in World War 2, and wanted to see TXF characters as a Nazi, a double agent, M&S saving the world. 
  • He slept aboard the Queen Mary while shooting. 
  • Bill Roe was the new director of photography. The problem was how to set up the lights when the shot shows everything. 
  • He imagined it as set during night, but night also helped with hiding some cuts.
  • Unheralded crew members for this episode in particular: steadicam operator Dave Luckenbach and focus puller Trevor… [No Trevor or focus puller is credited for the episode, unfortunately!]
  • They just shot the episode and there was no space to edit, miraculously it added up to the exact 45 minutes needed! 
  • David Nutter taught him how to block scenes, “the master”. 
  • Production designer Korey Caplan gave him a paper with the set drawings, he did the choreography of the scene on paper.
  • Moving to LA, Michael Watkins and Bernie Caulfield replaced Bob Goodwin to run the day-to-day business. 
  • Praise for Kaplan. The trashed ballroom was made and unmade in hours. 
  • The “Wizard of Oz” references were added in in order to fit in all the cameos. 
  • The original script had Fowley as the ballroom singer. He doesn’t remember if it was actor availability or budget that cut her. 
  • Mulder’s line for “what’s your name?” “John Brown. Ask me again, and I’ll knock you down. / Puddintame. Ask me again and I’ll tell you the same.” was from a 70s TV show, he doesn’t remember which! It was an inside joke with childhood friends. [Apparently it’s a quite old children’s rhyme from the US. There was even a 1960s Alley Cats song that used it!]
  • The move to LA was a lot of work. During the Vancouver days he used Air Canada like a Greyhound bus. 
  • He always wanted to shoot in the Queen Mary
  • About the fan theory that the whole of season 6 was a dream: “I don’t know that we were so organized.” Things were made up on the fly. [I find that quite telling, on how well-planned everything was — or not! — and this can apply to the mythology as well.]
  • If he wanted to have writing done, he’d have to do it before the phone rang. He’d get up early, get a Starbucks in Venice exit to Santa Monica at 4 am, becoming friends with the homeless, at 5 am he’d be at the office, and write till 9 am, then deal with the other parts of the job. 
  • The FBI elevator shot, the set was redressed while the doors were closed. There was not enough time for many takes, thankfully DD & GA didn’t flub (make mistakes).
  • The velocity of the episode allowed to include hidden cuts. 
  • Mark Snow’s music: a riff on big band, 1940s music. The “Sing, Sing, Sing” song was in the script. 
  • The M&S kiss: did we get because it was not for real? “Definitely!” It was a 1940s movie kiss.
  • He rewatched the show from beginning to roughly end 2 years ago with his wife. The specifics of making it are all a blur. 
  • About the shipper teases: “Hats off to the writers” for telling TXF stories and weaving in those threads. [He’s one of the writers, but the congratulations are for the whole team of writers.]
  • They would often work on the mythology episodes together with Frank Spotnitz; they talked so much that the stories started to tell themselves. “The architecture of the mythology would oftentimes tell us rather than us tell it.” [How I would love to have a recording of one of those brainstorming sessions!]
  • “I love you” at the end: the entire episode is silly, it calls on them to act out of character. “We all know they both love each other”, it’s just not vocalized. It satisfied expectations, and takes some “devilish liberties” with the characters. 
  • Did it really happen? “It’s the ‘Wizard of Oz’!” [Take note, fans, not everything really needs to be unambiguous!]

Interview: Kristen Cloke-Morgan

Another interview courtesy of the X-Files Diaries podcast, this time with Kristen Cloke-Morgan (Glen Morgan’s wife and creative partner), talking in-depth about the revival episode that she co-wrote, the memorable no-dialogue AI episode. Quick notes below:

On “The Field Where I Died“: she thinks the background of her character was that she was probably abused as a child, every time she got in a difficult spot she escaped into another personality.

On “Rm9…“, which she calls “Followers“:

  • Glen Morgan had 3 ideas: drones, no dialogue, AI (maybe?)
  • She and co-writer Shannon Hamblin boarded the episode at the Morgans’ garage, then photographed the cards and took them to Vancouver for Glen to give notes. It was a collaborative writing process.
  • They had done an episode of “Space: Above and Beyond” with no dialogue.
  • The actors liked it.
  • Scully wearing more comfortable clothes and shoes was not her input.
  • The funny bits are Shannon’s, she’s more serious.
  • There are few women in TXF. It would have been awkward if a man had written Scully with a vibrator. The vibrator design had to be approved by the studio! The vibrator idea came out of research they did on connected devices.
  • They were able to have notes and rewrites on the spot in Vancouver, they were there during prep. They produced their own episode, like Carter had writers do back then, now writers don’t do that any more.
  • Many of the crew in Vancouver they knew, collaboration was great.
  • Scott Stence (?) did the videos and graphics, he came up with the design for the smiley face, she had him add teeth to make it more creepy. “Scott is coming for dinner” on Scully’s fridge was an easter egg, it was not scripted.
  • Hand holding at the end was Glen’s idea, about connection.
  • Mulder’s line “why is your house better than mine?” was improvisation by Duchovny, they kept it in.
  • Shooting in Mulder’s house was very cold.
  • They removed the last line of Scully replying “we can’t teach them to care”, they rewrote that line a lot, maybe it was Glen that cut it out.
  • It’s inevitable that, where it can, AI will replace humans. But it can’t write something that will move you like TXF episodes written by humans.
  • In the Tay experiment [Microsoft AI chatbot on Twitter], the female-looking AI was abused by males and taught racist sexist things. She was moved by that.
  • Robots and AI are much more frequent now vs 2017. Glen used AI images to help for movie pitches. She feels like she is participating in teaching it, and is reluctant.
  • She had ELO songs in the script originally; she is a Prince fan.
  • When Mulder and Scully got out of the restaurant, a hug was scripted but a kiss was shot, it was cut out.
  • Anderson didn’t remember the song “Teach your children well”, Shannon led a rendition for her.
  • She was amazed at the set of the sushi restaurant, by set designer Mark Freeborn. She was impressed by the robot wranglers, the programmers for the robots’ movements, the drones people. There were few robots on set, they were duplicated digitally.
  • An important distinction vs TXF in the 90s: with politics now, you believe in the truth you want to believe, you create your own reality, instead of believing in The Truth.

(Photo of Kristen from PhileFest, from X-Files News)

https://xfilesdiaries.libsyn.com/145-interview-with-kristen-cloke-morgan

Interview: James Wong

A great, comprehensive interview with Jim Wong courtesy of the the X-Files Diaries podcast! There’s a lot here about his work on the revival. Frankly, looking back, his work resulted in the revival’s most solid episodes, especially his episodes “Founder’s Mutation” and “Ghouli” that make up a sort of “parallel mythology” and a preferable alternative to Carter’s “Struggles”. Highlights and [own comments] below:

The early years:

  • The writers were given accounts by Fox on alt.tv.x-files, he posted a bit
  • They wanted to reverse the Mulder-Scully dynamic towards the end of the first season, but they ended up doing “Beyond the Sea” earlier because of fan criticism of Scully’s skepticism.
  • In the early years they didn’t want to do the relationship bullshit, not to do what “Moonlighting” did, what Fox was telling them to do, what everybody did. A non-romantic relationship was something to be celebrated back then. But Duchovny-Anderson had such great chemistry, you wanted them to. What’s right is how it ended up happening, over the years. [I like how he expresses this, I agree on both the noromo beginnings and the long-term evolution]
  • Standards & Practices were more on them during the first seasons, they could push back after they were a big success. Editing for “Home” was down to frame by frame. Jim & Glen were planning to do a sequel with the Peacocks in “Millennium” for the sweeps period, Fox TV head Peter Roth said no. The V-Chip [blocking TV set based on violence ratings] was passed in Congress because of “Home”. [It possibly had an influence, but the timing doesn’t quite work: “Home” aired in October 1996 and the Telecommunications Act was voted in January 1996, but started getting implemented in 1997.]
  • “Beyond the Sea” is his personal favourite. In San Diego, a local channel Z had “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” on repeats, he saw it thousands of times with Glen Morgan, hence Brad Dourif. Dourif’s audition didn’t go well but (casting director) Rick Millikan and he and Glen pushed for him, Jim & Glen even paid an extra fee from their pocket, and Dourif did it.
  • “Clyde Bruckman” is another favourite.
  • When they returned in season 4 Carter asked them if there was anything they wanted to do, he asked to direct an episode. He was very nervous, he had only done 2nd unit directing in “Space: Above and Beyond”, he was more prepared for “Musings” than anything else before or after (shots lists, camera angles). He attributes his whole directing career to TXF. So he said yes to the revival. [“Musings of a CSM” is one TXF’s best for directing and photography, amazing that it was a first effort! ]

Founder’s Mutation“:

  • He hadn’t followed the show after he left [back in s4!] but he knew that William was a mystery, that’s what excited him.
  • It was meant to lead into the finale. [The episode airing was reordered at the last minute]
  • He remembers shooting with kids in make-up: show as little of the monster as possible, a lesson from “Alien”.
  • Approaching the show all these years later, he found he had grown older together with the characters, he wrote the characters to be emotionally in the same place as he was, at a different age.

Ghouli“:

  • It was born out of the idea of the final scene, to have Scully interact with her son without her knowing. [A highlight of the revival!] He wanted both to allow Mulder and Scully to grieve for their son [their son!], and to connect with him.
  • There was no writers’ room, there were no discussions, it was just him. [A method that has given both good and bad results!]
  • It was a kitchen sink episode, throw in ideas and do fun cool things: he wanted a crazy teaser, he saw the rotting ship and thought it would make a cool set, let’s get Scully shot.
  • He gave much thought in how do we find out about William, what do we see in his room, important for him to have the Asian man. 
  • There were no discussions with Carter about William, he became what Wong wanted to tell the story. About William’s character: kids do stupid things with their powers. [I find it nothing short of incredible that it happened like this, with Carter clearly wanting to do something with William for years, and did reuse Wong’s William in “My Struggle IV”. But you could argue that it’s a creative process like any other, have one person write part of the story and come in and continue it with your own ideas.]
  • His own ghost story! He went through sleep paralysis while shooting a film in Mexico. [Most likely for “Dragonball Evolution”, which filmed in Mexico.] He felt there was somebody in his hotel room all night through. In the same hotel, Rob MacLachlan [director of photography in Millennium] felt the same! There was a plaque next to the hotel, about a nun during the war who fell in love with a French soldier, committed suicide, people see her ghost every full moon. He discussed with Ghouli director of photography Craig [Wrobleski] on how to show sleep paralysis, to get one plane in focus and the rest out of focus.
  • He talked to Carter about what had happened with William, he gave him the cliff notes of season 9, there is a connection with Scully, he gave him carte blanche. Everything else (adoptive parents moving from the countryside to the city, Project Crossroads…) is all Wong’s.
  • About the intervening years since s9, he agrees with fan theories about: William/Jackson’s parents must have figured out something was going on with him, they could have sought help, enrolled him in a program, exposed him inadvertently to forces looking for him. [We can find traces of all of this background story in Ghouli.net, so maybe he did have some input to that. I still find the Wyoming/Virginia move to be a stretch, and Project Crossroads to be an unnecessary complication on top of an already complicated status for William’s powers.]
  • He wanted to write a poetic ending to the episode, he would have been satisfied if it was the last we see of William. He didn’t know what Carter wanted to do. [Looking back, I would have been fine if Ghouli was the end of William’s story, but during s11’s airing it was already clear that we were going to see him again. Somehow Carter short-circuited Wong’s intentions.]
  • Design of Ghouli: this was all Bill Terezakis.
  • Ghouli.net was Fox’s idea. Julie Ng and others did the writing, he didn’t. [More kudos to her! So many good ideas in there.]

Nothing Lasts Forever” [Wong directed only]:

  • Last scene: he doesn’t know what Scully whispered to Mulder, he thinks she said “it was always you”, the candle was an affirmation of their relationship.
  • Kate McKinnon was an XF fan, they tried to cast her as Barbara Beaumont, but it didn’t work out.
  • Glen Morgan also hung out on newsgroups back then, it was really new to have live reactions from the audience then, there was criticism but no trolling or personal attacks. He didn’t go online after his revival episodes. [Understandable. Here’s to constructive criticism.]

https://xfilesdiaries.libsyn.com/143-james-wong-interview

(Photo from PhileFest by X-Files News)

https://open.spotify.com/episode/47XTqXmGTIQSeQIExNvvm4

Interview: Julie Ng

Listen to these two podcasts featuring Julie Ng, an alumnus of Glen Morgan’s and the producer of all the behind the scenes content for the two revival seasons — lots of great little info on the making of the fan-favourite and light-hearted “This”. Confirmation that plenty of dirty and kinky lines were ad-libs on the spot by the two lead actors, which reinforces the impression that in this episode we are seeing more Duchovny & Anderson rather than Mulder & Scully per se. I didn’t know the Ramones’ “California Sun” was a cover — another R&B classic stolen by a rock band!