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Interview: Craig Wrobleski

New interview: “Hey Danny It’s Mulder” sat down with Craig Wrobleski, the director of photography for The X-Files season 11, taking over from Joel Ransom in s10, a Canadian who among other things worked on “Fargo” and followed up TXF with some episodes of “The Twilight Zone”. Cinematography is of course one of the most important parts of what made TXF a success, so all eyes were on the DoPs for the revival seasons. After the frankly disappointing look of s10 (surprising from Joel Ransom, who had also worked on s4-5, but on film, not digital), s11 was a distinct step in the right direction. The interview has plenty of technical aspects, very interesting for the details-oriented fan, but there’s much more than that here, about art and the process of creation. Here are my notes from the interview.

  • In preparation, he read “American Cinematographer” articles written about the show. He watched the episodes shot in Vancouver and those shot in LA: the look changed but it retained the show’s essence. [ASC article example: Joel Ransom]
  • His approach was not to try to recreate how the show looked back then but retain echoes of it. Vancouver looks much more modern than it looked back then, so a recreation was out of the question. Digital means a different look too.
  • He likes using shorter lenses to be close to actors, to be closer to the story, be more immersive, to have the supernatural elements but have them be more relatable.
  • Every script was very descriptive, it told you what the tone should be.
  • There was a lot of exteriors shooting. They used the TXF office set to shoot just for two days out of the entire season.
  • “Lost Art”: the reference for the parking scenes were the parking sequences of “All the President’s Men”, but they didn’t want to recreate it exactly. They used very contemporary cinematography (soft light, shallow depth of field), an old vibe but with a modern aesthetic. The ground surface was coated with a reflective material, an oil of some kind. The lightbulbs were changed. They shot it at a lower temperature at the camera to make it look cooler. They put pink fluorescent lights in the background, in a specific callback to “All the President’s Men”. [That movie was of course a big inspiration on the entire look of TXF, but even more so for these scenes, to a comical degree. Here are some image comparisons, with ATPM first, TXF second.]
  • “Followers” was all about technology, they wanted it to be like a different world. Scully’s house was a modern rich space, Mulder’s farm house was simple. Note: he says “David”, not “Mulder”, about the ad-libbed line of her house being better than his.
  • Digital affords to use more colour, they used colour a lot in s11, unlike in s10. [Rather than colour, what I noticed was a better use of darkness and of contrast, which approximated the look of film better compared to the much more digital look of s10.]
  • He works side by side with the directors. Most shows have alternating directors of photography across episodes, whereas he did all episodes. He didn’t have enough preparation time with the directors. Glen and Chris kept people up to speed. He stopped dreaming during the shoot. He realized he had no spare time for his subconscious to digest what was happening. But creativity works when you let things stew in your mind. [This is interesting — it was a challenging shoot that had its positives but also some negatives.]
  • His main task is capturing performances. When performance, lighting, lens, camera move, everything happens in the shot, when that happens it’s magic captured in a bottle. Chris is especially sensitive to performance. After a good take, he would give little notes, and the next take would be much better, “The One”.
  • Digital can make things too polished, sleek, unreal. He wanted things to look natural, real, have soul, patina, have imperfections. Chris is very clear that TXF is not a sci-fi show. It shouldn’t have the clean polished silver polished look of a sci-fi show, it should feel real and relatable.
  • He asked Chris what brought the show to Vancouver originally: it was the forests. It was “bizarre” when the show moved to LA. In Vancouver, the air is thick, it rains a lot, there are plenty of reflections and sheens, the sky has a low ceiling, gives the feeling of an oppressive environment.
  • All other crew members in s11 had a connection with the show, even if it was just for s10, except for him.
  • The last scene they shot was the last scene of the last episode, and the last shot was that final wide shot with the drone pull back.
  • The Alexa camera has a low contrast curve setting. They shot the season with it. That was a setting unlike the TXF look, it gives a sleek modern look with smooth contrast, but they built contrast in with the lighting and finessed it in the grading process.
  • Many choices were done not based on logic but on feeling, testing things.
  • “Lost Art”: the black and white opening scene in the Ovaltine cafe was not shot with a b&w camera, but with a red monochrome camera, which sees more gradations of b&w. After they started shooting, they realized they couldn’t use a blue screen for the special effects, for the mirror shots.
  • Darin was laughing all the time during the shoot, they could even hear him on the audio recording.
  • The whole season was like a homage to the legacy of TXF.
  • For the two-wheeled scooter, Darin just had the idea during a break, “how about we shoot it?” It was so stupid that they had to do it.
  • “Kitten”: you like to have first shot actually done within the first hour of the shoot day. For the Vietnam sequences with the helicopter, they didn’t start before 5 hours due to the logistics. They were committed to do real shots, not use CGI. That’s crazy for television.
  • He had a lot of fun on set, it was great experience.

https://www.heydannyitsmulder.com/episodes/episode11

Interview: Cloke & Hamblin on Rm9

A recent interview with the writers of The X-Files season 11 episode 11X07: Rm9sbG93ZXJz aka “Followers”: Kristen Cloke-Morgan and Shannon Hamblin, from the “Hey That’s Me” podcast. There’s quite a bit of repetition compared to an interview with Cloke from two years ago for The X-Files Diaries. Here are the highlights:

Most importantly:

  • Glen offered them to write the episode. During s11 there was a concern that there were not enough female writers, they decided to turn over some episodes to other writers. [Just in case there was any doubt left: Gillian Anderson’s public comments had a positive, immediate and concrete impact on the making of the show: had she not made these comments, this would have been a purely Glen Morgan episode, and I suppose 11X09: Nothing Lasts Forever would have been a Wong-only episode. Gillian’s comments were made in June 2017, the female writers were announced in August, the original script draft (white production) is dated 17 October and there were script revisions to 5 November.]

Also:

  • Shannon was a fan of TXF. She met Glen Morgan because a science fiction script she wrote got to him. [Looks like this was not produced — her IMDb page is quite empty.] She was a writers assistant during TXF s11.
  • Glen guided them throughout with story notes and corrections.
  • Darin Morgan looked at their story cards; he was the one that suggested the blob fish.
  • Glen wanted 4 things: the Tay tweets, drones, AI, no dialogue.
  • Kristen: there’s too much dialogue, David’s funny and they kept his improvised lines, but they could have been more disciplined. [I agree! It would have been great if there was absolutely no dialogue until the very last scene.]
  • Praise for production designer Mark Freeborn [TXF s10-11, IWTB, MM s1-2-3]. They both loved the sushi restaurant. It was a store of some kind before becoming that set.
  • Kristen did the voice of Wendy (at Scully’s house).
  • They were both on set for the whole shoot for about 3 weeks (except for Kristen for the final scene at the cafe). It was really freezing and raining a lot. It was shot around end of October-beginning of November. It’s rare that writers get invited on set, especially if it’s out of town, but this happened with TXF.
  • Mulder’s house exterior was shot on location; the interior was a rebuilt set at a studio. Scully’s house was a real house.
  • There were about 8 drones on set, they were replicated with CGI.
  • They storyboarded everything. Despite no dialogue, the script was about the typical length.
  • Gillian didn’t know the “Treat Your Children” song, and Shannon did a karaoke version in front of the whole crew during the shoot, the crew joined in the singing.
  • The end scenes were shot at a plastic bottle making factory.
  • “This Man” appearing in every episode: this was a joke between Glen and Kristen’s daughter Greer. [As could be expected — no “alternate universe” theories were mentioned.]
  • Above Scully’s head there’s a drawing made by Kristen’s young son. [Unclear where this is: at the final drone scene, or at the final cafe scene. It’s not the robot Nighthawks.]

And also this unexpected bit of information:

  • Kristen originally auditioned for Scully. [This is the first time I hear of this! Imagine what could have been. Kristen as Scully, Gillian as Lara Means. Sacrilege: it could have worked!]

Vince Gilligan on “Pusher”

As time passes, we are cruising through the 30th anniversary of The X-Files season 3. 3X17: Pusher first aired on February 23 1996 and it was only the first episode written by Vince Gilligan as a staff writer, after he was recruited with the freelance 2X23: Soft Light. Pusher remains not only one of Gilligan’s best episodes, but one of the most memorable episodes of the show’s history. Gilligan was recently interviewed on Polygon: read him talk about how he thought he would get fired, how television is a collaborative medium, his appreciation of Robert Wisden and Rob Bowman, and more. Some highlights:

Thirty years later, it’d be called “Influencer” instead of “Pusher.”

After the episode aired, I was so proud of it. I did indeed — in the office on Monday morning, I’m pretty sure I said to Chris, “That’s the best I can do for you. That’s as good as it gets.” And I’ll never forget his reaction. He looked at me very seriously, and he said very quietly, “You shouldn’t say stuff like that, and I very much hope that’s not true, because this job, for all of us, is about getting better with every script.”

Robert Patrick Modell. The middle name, by the way, is named for my brother Patrick. I don’t know where Modell came from. I think I just liked the sound of it. I always felt like a bad guy has got to have three names, like Lee Harvey Oswald.

I remember the truck gag, with the shot of the truck hitting the camera. I said to him, “How are you going to get this? Because you want it to be really badass.” He says, “I’ve got a way.” They bought a mirror and put it on a wooden frame and they put it in the middle of the road, 45 degrees to the camera and to the truck — the truck and the camera were at 90 degrees from each other. The stunt driver blasted this big semi-truck right into the mirror and just drove right through it, smashed the shit out of it. The camera was 30 feet away, safe off on the side of the road.

[On similarities between Modell and Walter White] I guess there are similarities. I am kind of the last one to figure these things out. They usually have to be told to me.

Polygon interview.

Megacon + Awesomecon cast appearances

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Megacon (Orlando, 20 March 2026): The X-Files cast reunion with Nick Lea, Robert Patrick, Gillian Anderson, Mitch Pileggi, Annabeth Gish.

See and hear actors struggle to remember anything from a 30+ years old show!

  • Robert wishes he could still play Doggett, if they paid him for it. Best role of his career. His first scene with Gillian was perfect, with the water on his face, it reflected a lot of the fan reception he sadly felt.
  • Gillian avoided TXF questions and conventions until about 5 years ago when she understood the Scully effect was still a thing today, and reconciled with it. [She mentions the Gina Davis documentary, sorry Gillian but that was… 10 years ago!]
  • Mitch singles out the moment when Skinner told the CSM “get out” of his office (that’s early, 2X01: Little Green Men), that’s when he knew Skinner would come to be an ally of Mulder and Scully.
  • Annabeth wishes they had had more time to develop the Doggett Reyes (or Scully Reyes) romance.
  • Annabeth’s husband-to-be was Robert’s and Chris Carter’s krav maga instructor. Robert remembers introducing them, Annabeth remembers differently.
  • Props they have kept: Nick: prosthetic arm prop (from Requiem); Mitch: brass bulldog from Skinner’s desk; Gillian: Scully’s grave stone (from One Breath); Robert: all the scripts he was in; Annabeth: bell rings from Reyes’s apartment; all of them have wardrobe.
  • Early on, Gillian was keen to show her range as a young actor, Chris was training her to show the kind of emotions that Scully would have, faith, science, cool.
  • Nick singles out Kim Manners, Rob Bowman, and especially Bob Goodwin for the success of the show. He said yes to anything, they just went out and did it, “like in the old days”. He remembers shooting the car explosion (Paper Clip), surrounded by explosives inside the car, it only worked on second take. He insisted doing the stunt hanging out over Skinner’s balcony instead of shooting around him standing on a platform (Tunguska). For Genderbender, he had just met Bowman, and he kept suggesting things for the shots, ” wouldn’t it be cool if”, “yeah!”.
  • Mitch and Steven Williams choreographed their elevator fight scene themselves (End Game). First take, Bowman wanted more, second take they damaged the elevator set!
  • Robert remembers learning to scuba dive to shoot in a water tank at Universal (Nothing Important Happened Today).
  • Nick explains the Black Oil perfectly! Nobody remembers anything!

Awesomecon (Washington DC, 15 March 2026): Gillian Anderson

  • Reboot: “We [GA and Ryan Coogler] we’ve had a few conversations. He’s such a cool guy and so talented. The pilot script is really good. I would say, have an open mind and give it a chance because it’s going to be fucking cool. It really is. It’s something different. It’s different and it’s special. So, give it a break.”
  • Where would you like to see Agent Scully go? “That’s got nothing to do with me. Who says that Agent Scully is even in the reboot?”
  • Influence of Jodie Foster in the Silence of the Lambs on Scully? “Chris had said to me that he had Clarice in mind when he was writing Scully.” “Even though I had seen it however many years before, I had decidedly not watched it because I didn’t want to be Jodie Foster being Scully. But I definitely feel like the grit and determination and single-minded seriousness of Scully and the nature of her intelligence too probably, was very much in line with how Jodie played Clarice, or how Clarice might have been written.”

Gillian having read Coogler’s pilot script is telling: the script would not have circulated to an actor unless Disney/Coogler want to convince her to participate. It looks like the new series would start without Scully (or Mulder), build up its own identity, then leave the door open for an appearance by Scully a few episodes in. But nothing is decided. “Give it a break” definitely sounds like she’s trying to anticipate a negative reaction (that inevitably comes with anything in fandom these days) and pre-empt it.

Megacon (Orlando, 21 March 2026): Gillian Anderson

  • Casting for Scully: knew it was special just by reading the script for the pilot. Other candidates included Jill Hennessy, Cynthia Nixon. 10 Mulders, 5 Scullys, casting over two days. She was cast at the end of the second day, a Thursday. The next day, Friday, she left for Vancouver to shoot the pilot! Cast just as she got her last unemployment cheque.
  • About the reboot: more or less repeats the above. “I read the script. It was really good. [I told fans] to not think disparagingly about it. It’s very different and very similar, all at the same time, and it’s very special. I think he’s [Coogler] incredibly talented and I think he’s one of the only people who’d really be able to do something unique and do it justice. He’s completely obsessed with the series. I think he’s one of the most talented filmmakers who’s out there, so the fact that Chris has him as the person who’s going to be involved in the franchise is awesome and a huge gift. I think that you guys will see what he has in mind and I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.”
  • Question about the upclong LEGO set: it will include several of the iconic imagery of the series. [Presumably it will be Brent Waller’s original design?]

“Very different and very similar” is exactly what I would want from a new X-Files project.

2023 Philefest Millennium panel

Happy spring equinox!

Somewhat recently, already 4 months ago, a recording of the Millennium-focused panel surfaced, thanks to Kurt North from the X-Cast / The Time Is Now podcasts. This is the only panel from Philefest in September 2023 that had not been recorded by X-Files News, I suppose because it was not about The X-Files. The panel had Chris Carter, Frank Spotnitz and Troy Foreman (producer of the Millennium documentary). Though short, this panel is excellent, on several points Carter has humorous comments followed up by very heavy stuff, and we finally got a good reason why MM is still not on any streaming platforms. Here are the highlights:

  • Carter: The idea for MM came from Fox forcing him to come up with a second series! He was a big fan of “Silence of the Lambs”. He finds Fincher’s series “Mindhunter” excellent.
  • Spotnitz: TXF episode “Irresistible” was an early template for MM. Among all the hours of TV they did, the Pilot of MM is the best. In the Pilot, the characters, the ideas are “closest to who you [Carter] are, closest to your worldview”. Carter does believe in the evil of the world, but we all have yellow house. There were no supernatural monsters or aliens like in TXF, it was the reality of the human condition.
  • Originally two highly qualified executives had been hired to run MM [who?], but Carter and Spotnitz had to take over. There were 1500 people working daily on TXF, MM and the TXF movie, it was amazing they pulled it off.
  • Why don’t we have MM on streaming? Season 2 has a lot of good music and securing music rights is costly. Carter: Disney/Fox is “cheap”. [Finally, an answer! Hold on to those DVDs!]
  • Season 3 was run by Ken Horton and Chip Johannessen, they had plans for season 4, but Carter and Spotnitz don’t know them, don’t know what was Peter Watts’s fate. Fox would have done a season 4, but Carter moved MM aside to do “Harsh Realm”. Fox was chasing better ratings, but the ratings never got better than MM, it was a structural decline.
  • Carter: “I’ve met evil people”, “some people have a defect”, “too many of them are lawyers”, “I know the face of evil, I’ve looked it in the eye and shuddered”.
  • The reason Carter took a break after TXF was an on-set accident where a crew member electrocuted himself and was killed. [This was Jim Engh; 8X01: “Within” was dedicated to his memory.] He went to the funeral, he met his widow. Later, the widow was suing and Carter was named specifically. He was called in for a deposition, the lawyers were trying in every way to connect the deceased with him. He had enough, he didn’t want to put himself in a position to be accused. Eventually the case was dropped. [These are rare details on a little-known case, and a surprising amount of detail. Along with a work burnout and other legal issues with Fox, this was certainly a contributing factor for Carter’s break after 2002.]
  • Question about common visual elements between the MM pilot and TXF: “The Red and the Black” (people with sewed orifices in their faces): Carter: both were made concurrently, it was not conscious.
  • Spotnitz: Carter loved Fincher’s “Seven”. He got “Seven”‘s assistant production designer for the MM pilot. [This was Gary Wissner, credited as art director on “Seven”.]
  • MM revival: the obvious way forward would be if Jordan has similar gifts and becomes a serial killer profiler herself. Carter: the number of killers has decreased in recent years, one would have to branch out for new stories. “Dahmer” was great.
  • Sarah Jane Redmond originally approached Carter for a role in MM. She had the perfect affect for MM. Carter wrote the Lucy Butler role for her.
  • In the MM documentary, the interview with her took place inside a church.
  • Spotnitz: originally the show would not have any supernatural at all. The studio was pressuring for it. By the end of season 1 they did “Lamentation”. Lucy Butler was Spotnitz’s favourite character after Frank Black.
  • What do they fear now? Carter: “the Trump administration”. If they’d do the revival, a scary title would be just “Trump”.
  • Season 2: Glen & Jim had ideas, they took a huge load off Carter & Spotnitz. He watched the season like a fan.
  • Spotnitz: he was exhausted after season 1, it was brutal. Carter asked him if he wanted to leave TXF for MM. It was a hard decision.
  • For season 2, Jim had T-shirts printed out “99% less serial killers”. It was a different direction.
  • Season 3: Chip was a poetic, artistic writer. It was a different tone and focus. Carter & Spotnitz came in and contributed, but it was Chip’s vision. The show was 3 distinct visions, a triptych. Spotnitz loved the work of Kristen Cloke.
  • On TXF: “The Erlenmeyer Flask”: the hybrid idea was something Carter and Anne Simon hatched together. Carter follows current research on genetic engineering, “we are on the cusp of changing the human race”.
  • Spotnitz: on the Scully effect. MM’s casting was diverse: it was not a calculation, it was not pandering, it was resisting pressure about ‘where’s the sexual tension?’ (regarding the Emma Hollis-Frank Black relationship). It’s amazing how well MM holds up. “That’s Chris’s respect for women.”
  • Carter: on female producers in MM. TXF had more female than male producers, he is super proud of that. He took offense with some comments in seasons 10-11. He tried to hire a female director of photography for TXF, Sandy Sizzle, which was rare at the time; Fox’s Charlie Goldstein said ‘no way’, that women couldn’t lead a crew. [This whole bit sounds like an organized defense of their work in response to criticism Carter in particular has received, and it looks like it has touched a nerve! All of these are good points but this is somewhat misplaced: I think the criticism has centered around the writing staff, which was nearly-entirely male for TXF and admittedly more balanced in MM. Also, there are many behind the scenes things we are not aware of and now that so much time has passed Carter is opening up a bit, it’s not usual for him or in the industry to be naming people like this.]
  • The leads of MM, Lance and Megan, were their first choices, no auditions, they gave them the roles based on past work. Megan had a unique intelligence and humanity. Spotnitz: when they killed Catherine he was sad and disappointed, it was not his decision.

Speaking of which: an extended cut of the Millennium After the Millennium documentary is coming on April 7 on BluRay and streaming (Amazon Prime)! (I don’t know if this will be available globally on Prime, it wasn’t in the past.)

25 years of The Lone Gunmen + Spotnitz, Gilligan interview

Ten Thirteen’s fourth series, The Lone Gunmen, first premiered 25 years ago, six months before 9/11/2001 — with that now infamous pilot episode that involves a false flag operation from the US military-industrial complex to fly a plane into the World Trade Center and increase arms sales in the aftermath. The series would go on to be much more humorous after that pilot, with a type of humor that was not to everybody’s taste, more like some season 6 episodes than Darin Morgan episodes, but the photography and the Vancouver setting were unmistakable Ten Thirteen. It premiered during The X-Files’ season 8 and lasted half a season with 13 episodes. It was not picked up for a season 2 and the series would be given a finale with the controversial “Jump The Shark” in TXF’s season 9.

The Television Academy has an interview with show co-creators Vince Gilligan and Frank Spotnitz (the third member of the John Gilnitz trio, John Shiban, is missing!) to reflect on the show. Here are a few highlights:

Spotnitz: I actually think we wanted to do The Lone Gunmen [earlier] and it was delayed by Harsh Realm.

Spotnitz: I also think, looking back on it, it was season eight of The X-Files — we had already hit our peak, and we were already on the way down in terms of the mania for The X-Files. It was probably two or three seasons too late to do that spinoff. If we had done it in season four or five [during The X-Files’ run], we might have had a different reception. 9/11, in my view, really killed The X-Files. The mood of the country was no longer government conspiracy and all that.

[Entirely agreed that the spin-off came too late. The Lone Gunmen-focused episodes of TXF were during seasons 5 and 6, and this is when a spin-off should have started.]

[One thing that neither of them mention is that TXF season 8 was given a break between airing “This Is Not Happening” and “DeadAlive” in order to accommodate the first episodes of TLG. To introduce a break during what was perhaps TXF’s peak emotional moment and have viewers follow a humorous spin-off was not the producers’ best decision, and probably hurt viewership too. Of course all of these are past considerations, things would have gone very differently with today’s streaming format, and TLG is the kind of niche show that might have found its audience eventually.]

[I think this is the first time we hear that it was delayed because of “Harsh Realm”. As good as that one was, we can now blame it for first cancelling “Millennium” season 4, and for postponing “The Lone Gunmen” further into an untimely period.]

Spotnitz: There’s a story I’ve never told, but I feel like I can tell it now that it’s been 25 years and Fox has been sold to Disney. The deal that Tom and Dean and Bruce made — Fox screwed up. They paid them way more money than they meant to pay them. So, when the show got canceled, Vince, John, and I wanted to have a sendoff for them. We wanted to write “Jump the Shark.” Fox did not want to bring them back. They really tried to stop us; they were so mad. In their mind, they’d overpaid them for The Lone Gunmen. They were absolutely against it. And we just said, “We’re doing it, so you’ll have nothing to broadcast if we force their hand.”

Spotnitz: I do regret that that episode didn’t end with a laugh — it just ends with sadness. That was a mistake. If you’re going to do that, then you’ve got to bring back the joy that the characters represented, and we didn’t.

[Spotnitz said in the “Jump the Shark” DVD commentary that Fox was very difficult an only gave them the greenlight to do the episode when they decided to have the Lone Gunmen die. It was a heroic death all right, but this gives a whole another vengeful layer to this: the Lone Gunmen died because of some clerical error!]

Gilligan: I’ve said this a lot: You don’t know if it’s going to be hit. You don’t know if it’s going to be a failure. That’s what keeps it interesting and keeps your guts churning.

Gilligan: You don’t learn anything from success. And I’m not being funny, I’m being 100% serious. When something’s a success, you try to say, “It was because of this, it was because of that.” But you’re always wrong. There’s nothing I would call a mistake about The Lone Gunmen — not even time slots or any of that. You just do your best, and everybody did their best. I’m as proud as I can be of The Lone Gunmen, and to this day, I’d love for people to [read] this and say, “What show are they talking about?” And then look it up online and buy it. We put out DVDs.

Gilligan: We were lucky to get 13 [episodes]. Nowadays, it’d be six. I just couldn’t be more proud of it.

[I personally don’t think “The Lone Gunmen” was a very strong show, especially because of the way it handled its humor, and I’ve always thought it would have been a stronger show if it had half-hour instead of full-hour episodes. Given the quality work that Gilligan became famous for, it’s interesting that he still defends “The Lone Gunmen” so earnestly. It is undeniable that that show had a lot of heart, both in front of the camera and behind it. It is true that the popular success of a show relies on many factors that are conjunctural and difficult to pin down or purposefully recreate. Let us think about that when we consider the successes and failures also of TXF’s revival seasons, or the potential success or failure of the proposed TXF reboot.]

Let Gilligan have the final words about “The Lone Gunmen” and its heroes:

Gilligan: It’s just timely 25 years later. We need The Lone Gunmen more than ever. Three guys who, trying to save democracy, save the rule of law. God bless them. I want to think they’re still out there somewhere.