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Interview: editor Jeff Cahn

Here is a relatively recent (August 2025) interview with editor Jeff Cahn, by the X-Files Museum. An overall great guy and a fan of the show itself, he is full of behind the scenes stories beyond just about his role as assistant editor. He is credited for no less than 148 episodes of The X-Files over all seasons (s1-9) + on Fight the Future. His first credited episode was early season 1’s “Shadows”; essentially he has a credit on all episodes, except the first 2 seasons where rotating editing crews meant that he was on every other episode. Here are my notes.

  • He started working with Carl Sagan’s “Cosmos” in 1980! [I cannot recommend it enough!]
  • He was looking for work. Heather MacDougall (main editor of 60 episodes over s1-8 + s10) recruited him on Friday to start work on Monday. That same day he first watched TXF on TV, it was “Squeeze”. On Monday he congratulated Morgan & Wong, it was the first time they got praise and they were surprised.
  • He got a sense of the popularity of the show hearing people at malls and cafes, early on. The crew was surprised and relieved to get an order for the back 9 episodes of season 1. [Initially only 12 episodes were ordered after the pilot.]
  • Mary Astadourian [Carter’s assistant, then Ten Thirteen vice-president] wanted TXF to have a presence on the internet. She urged him and assistant editor Sue Kesler to go online to chat with fans, on Delphi, AOL. He got fans invited to Ten Thirteen parties.
  • For the first 2 years they had 3 teams of main editors and assistants working on 3 episodes at any point in time. Later, the 2 assistant editors were working on all episodes at once. [The editor/assistant couples were Heather & Jeff, Steve Mark & Sue.]
  • This was the first show he worked on that he was a fan of. He had access to the scripts early on, but he didn’t want to read them to spoil the entertainment.
  • “FTF”: he was the last one to get a script. Carter told him it was because he was talking to the fans, he didn’t want story details to come out. The script was printed on red paper, with the owner’s name stamped on each page, and the cover page saying “please don’t share details with others”. [pictured] Codename Blackwood. They were working on the editing for a year. There were storyboards and animatics. The special effects shots were the last thing that came in.
  • There were not that many special effects. They would call in Mat Beck [VFX producer] and give him start and end time codes for each shot. “First Person Shooter” had the most, with 100 visual effects shots.
  • During season 6 he would walk down to the set. He remembers the shooting of “First Person Shooter”, with Maitreya shooting machine guns.
  • He went to the studio where the “FTF” Antarctica scenes were being shot, the ice box, DD & GA were running and were freezing.
  • Mary Astadourian presented him Mitch Pileggi just when he got hired, he went to have drinks with him on Pico Boulevard.
  • When they moved to LA, David and Dean Haglund would hang around the editing room. David was an extrovert, Gillian an introvert. When David was directing the editing room door was open; when it was Gillian it was closed.
  • He was on set when Darren McGavin worked for the last time. [“The Unnatural”] He shot his scenes, went home, had a stroke.
  • He imitated Jon Landau’s voice for ADR for “FTF”; Jon later congratulated him.
  • He came up with the name “The Wongs” for Glen & Jim. Joanne Service [Carter’s assistant] laughed, word of it got to Canada, it stuck.
  • He told Carter that his directing job on “The List” was “just OK”. He expected to be fired. But Carter gave him a promotion instead! He supervised the editing of all 9 seasons for syndication.
  • Carter is “old school”. He doesn’t want overwhelming music or sound effects. He wants to feel the scene, the acting, the editing. Frank Spotnitz has a good vibe, he is always smiling. Carter’s door was always open. Carter drove a white Toyota SUV with a surf board.
  • One Saturday, Carter was rewriting “Alpha”. He wrote in a character named after him, Jeffrey Cahn, but Jeff told Chris that nobody actually mentions the name in the dialogue. By the time the episode was finished, Mulder says the name several times.
  • Writers would forget details, like when did Mulder last use his flashlight. They’d ask him, and he would go online and ask the fans, he got replies instantly.
  • The day after “Home” aired, he was with Michael Stern [“Home” editor], Kim Manners walked in and said this is never going to be shown again.
  • They’d work a lot and late, to 11 pm, 1 am. Carter and Spotnitz would wait for a VHS to show to somebody, the producer cut, the studio cut, etc. One night at like 1 am he tripped on the power cord of the Avid, and they had to start all over again. [Note to Gen Z: VHS recording happens in real time, there is no way to accelerate the process like when copying a digital file.]
  • The writers eventually got themselves in corner. He told Carter that the mythology was getting too convoluted. He was not a fan of the William storyline.
  • They were all proud of working on the show. Even the security guard at the studio lot had printed business cards with his name and TXF logo!

IWTB Director’s Cut coming 11 June

The all-new bottom-up edit of the 2008 movie “I Want To Believe” is coming 11 June on streaming! As announced by Polygon.

  • More on what this is about in this Carter interview from December
  • How different can this director’s cut be?
  • Very soon! I thought they would somehow use this to promote the new Coogler spin-off but that won’t be coming out in a long while yet. Odd.
  • Unceremoniously dumped on streaming with no physical release? Boo!
  • A summer release for a winter movie. Didn’t they learn anything the first time around?

Interview: Craig Wrobleski

New interview: “Hey Danny It’s Mulder” sat down with Craig Wrobleski, the director of photography for The X-Files season 11, taking over from Joel Ransom in s10, a Canadian who among other things worked on “Fargo” and followed up TXF with some episodes of “The Twilight Zone”. Cinematography is of course one of the most important parts of what made TXF a success, so all eyes were on the DoPs for the revival seasons. After the frankly disappointing look of s10 (surprising from Joel Ransom, who had also worked on s4-5, but on film, not digital), s11 was a distinct step in the right direction. The interview has plenty of technical aspects, very interesting for the details-oriented fan, but there’s much more than that here, about art and the process of creation. Here are my notes from the interview.

  • In preparation, he read “American Cinematographer” articles written about the show. He watched the episodes shot in Vancouver and those shot in LA: the look changed but it retained the show’s essence. [ASC article example: Joel Ransom]
  • His approach was not to try to recreate how the show looked back then but retain echoes of it. Vancouver looks much more modern than it looked back then, so a recreation was out of the question. Digital means a different look too.
  • He likes using shorter lenses to be close to actors, to be closer to the story, be more immersive, to have the supernatural elements but have them be more relatable.
  • Every script was very descriptive, it told you what the tone should be.
  • There was a lot of exteriors shooting. They used the TXF office set to shoot just for two days out of the entire season.
  • “Lost Art”: the reference for the parking scenes were the parking sequences of “All the President’s Men”, but they didn’t want to recreate it exactly. They used very contemporary cinematography (soft light, shallow depth of field), an old vibe but with a modern aesthetic. The ground surface was coated with a reflective material, an oil of some kind. The lightbulbs were changed. They shot it at a lower temperature at the camera to make it look cooler. They put pink fluorescent lights in the background, in a specific callback to “All the President’s Men”. [That movie was of course a big inspiration on the entire look of TXF, but even more so for these scenes, to a comical degree. Here are some image comparisons, with ATPM first, TXF second.]
  • “Followers” was all about technology, they wanted it to be like a different world. Scully’s house was a modern rich space, Mulder’s farm house was simple. Note: he says “David”, not “Mulder”, about the ad-libbed line of her house being better than his.
  • Digital affords to use more colour, they used colour a lot in s11, unlike in s10. [Rather than colour, what I noticed was a better use of darkness and of contrast, which approximated the look of film better compared to the much more digital look of s10.]
  • He works side by side with the directors. Most shows have alternating directors of photography across episodes, whereas he did all episodes. He didn’t have enough preparation time with the directors. Glen and Chris kept people up to speed. He stopped dreaming during the shoot. He realized he had no spare time for his subconscious to digest what was happening. But creativity works when you let things stew in your mind. [This is interesting — it was a challenging shoot that had its positives but also some negatives.]
  • His main task is capturing performances. When performance, lighting, lens, camera move, everything happens in the shot, when that happens it’s magic captured in a bottle. Chris is especially sensitive to performance. After a good take, he would give little notes, and the next take would be much better, “The One”.
  • Digital can make things too polished, sleek, unreal. He wanted things to look natural, real, have soul, patina, have imperfections. Chris is very clear that TXF is not a sci-fi show. It shouldn’t have the clean polished silver polished look of a sci-fi show, it should feel real and relatable.
  • He asked Chris what brought the show to Vancouver originally: it was the forests. It was “bizarre” when the show moved to LA. In Vancouver, the air is thick, it rains a lot, there are plenty of reflections and sheens, the sky has a low ceiling, gives the feeling of an oppressive environment.
  • All other crew members in s11 had a connection with the show, even if it was just for s10, except for him.
  • The last scene they shot was the last scene of the last episode, and the last shot was that final wide shot with the drone pull back.
  • The Alexa camera has a low contrast curve setting. They shot the season with it. That was a setting unlike the TXF look, it gives a sleek modern look with smooth contrast, but they built contrast in with the lighting and finessed it in the grading process.
  • Many choices were done not based on logic but on feeling, testing things.
  • “Lost Art”: the black and white opening scene in the Ovaltine cafe was not shot with a b&w camera, but with a red monochrome camera, which sees more gradations of b&w. After they started shooting, they realized they couldn’t use a blue screen for the special effects, for the mirror shots.
  • Darin was laughing all the time during the shoot, they could even hear him on the audio recording.
  • The whole season was like a homage to the legacy of TXF.
  • For the two-wheeled scooter, Darin just had the idea during a break, “how about we shoot it?” It was so stupid that they had to do it.
  • “Kitten”: you like to have first shot actually done within the first hour of the shoot day. For the Vietnam sequences with the helicopter, they didn’t start before 5 hours due to the logistics. They were committed to do real shots, not use CGI. That’s crazy for television.
  • He had a lot of fun on set, it was great experience.

https://www.heydannyitsmulder.com/episodes/episode11

Interview: Cloke & Hamblin on Rm9

A recent interview with the writers of The X-Files season 11 episode 11X07: Rm9sbG93ZXJz aka “Followers”: Kristen Cloke-Morgan and Shannon Hamblin, from the “Hey That’s Me” podcast. There’s quite a bit of repetition compared to an interview with Cloke from two years ago for The X-Files Diaries. Here are the highlights:

Most importantly:

  • Glen offered them to write the episode. During s11 there was a concern that there were not enough female writers, they decided to turn over some episodes to other writers. [Just in case there was any doubt left: Gillian Anderson’s public comments had a positive, immediate and concrete impact on the making of the show: had she not made these comments, this would have been a purely Glen Morgan episode, and I suppose 11X09: Nothing Lasts Forever would have been a Wong-only episode. Gillian’s comments were made in June 2017, the female writers were announced in August, the original script draft (white production) is dated 17 October and there were script revisions to 5 November.]

Also:

  • Shannon was a fan of TXF. She met Glen Morgan because a science fiction script she wrote got to him. [Looks like this was not produced — her IMDb page is quite empty.] She was a writers assistant during TXF s11.
  • Glen guided them throughout with story notes and corrections.
  • Darin Morgan looked at their story cards; he was the one that suggested the blob fish.
  • Glen wanted 4 things: the Tay tweets, drones, AI, no dialogue.
  • Kristen: there’s too much dialogue, David’s funny and they kept his improvised lines, but they could have been more disciplined. [I agree! It would have been great if there was absolutely no dialogue until the very last scene.]
  • Praise for production designer Mark Freeborn [TXF s10-11, IWTB, MM s1-2-3]. They both loved the sushi restaurant. It was a store of some kind before becoming that set.
  • Kristen did the voice of Wendy (at Scully’s house).
  • They were both on set for the whole shoot for about 3 weeks (except for Kristen for the final scene at the cafe). It was really freezing and raining a lot. It was shot around end of October-beginning of November. It’s rare that writers get invited on set, especially if it’s out of town, but this happened with TXF.
  • Mulder’s house exterior was shot on location; the interior was a rebuilt set at a studio. Scully’s house was a real house.
  • There were about 8 drones on set, they were replicated with CGI.
  • They storyboarded everything. Despite no dialogue, the script was about the typical length.
  • Gillian didn’t know the “Treat Your Children” song, and Shannon did a karaoke version in front of the whole crew during the shoot, the crew joined in the singing.
  • The end scenes were shot at a plastic bottle making factory.
  • “This Man” appearing in every episode: this was a joke between Glen and Kristen’s daughter Greer. [As could be expected — no “alternate universe” theories were mentioned.]
  • Above Scully’s head there’s a drawing made by Kristen’s young son. [Unclear where this is: at the final drone scene, or at the final cafe scene. It’s not the robot Nighthawks.]

And also this unexpected bit of information:

  • Kristen originally auditioned for Scully. [This is the first time I hear of this! Imagine what could have been. Kristen as Scully, Gillian as Lara Means. Sacrilege: it could have worked!]

Jose Chung’s Thirtieth Revolution Around The Sun

3X20: Jose Chung’s ‘From Outer Space’ aired 30 years ago, on April 12 1996. Written by Darin Morgan, this was quite possibly the most important episode of The X-Files‘ mythology without being one. I know, I know, superlatives are risky. But JCFOS was an episode that could be read on so many levels: an entertaining story in of itself; a synthetic illustration of lots of UFO/conspiracy theories; one possible “solving” of the show’s mythology; a commentary on the show itself. And it did turn out that, if you buy into the whole revival-is-a-retcon theory and colonization was never meant to happen, then remember that JCFOS went there decades before.

I realize now that I never linked to Professor Baylock’s video analysis of the episode from ten years ago: “The Bridge to the Metamodern”. Essential vieweing.

“X-Files has been called the ultimate post-modern television show. JCFOS could be called one of the first examples of post-post-modernism, or metamodernism. X-Files is a show about aliens and conspiracies. JCFOS isn’t like the X-Files, it’s not actually about aliens or conspiracy, JCFOS is about the X-Files itself.”

Me and my smoking alien figurine salute you!

Vince Gilligan on “Pusher”

As time passes, we are cruising through the 30th anniversary of The X-Files season 3. 3X17: Pusher first aired on February 23 1996 and it was only the first episode written by Vince Gilligan as a staff writer, after he was recruited with the freelance 2X23: Soft Light. Pusher remains not only one of Gilligan’s best episodes, but one of the most memorable episodes of the show’s history. Gilligan was recently interviewed on Polygon: read him talk about how he thought he would get fired, how television is a collaborative medium, his appreciation of Robert Wisden and Rob Bowman, and more. Some highlights:

Thirty years later, it’d be called “Influencer” instead of “Pusher.”

After the episode aired, I was so proud of it. I did indeed — in the office on Monday morning, I’m pretty sure I said to Chris, “That’s the best I can do for you. That’s as good as it gets.” And I’ll never forget his reaction. He looked at me very seriously, and he said very quietly, “You shouldn’t say stuff like that, and I very much hope that’s not true, because this job, for all of us, is about getting better with every script.”

Robert Patrick Modell. The middle name, by the way, is named for my brother Patrick. I don’t know where Modell came from. I think I just liked the sound of it. I always felt like a bad guy has got to have three names, like Lee Harvey Oswald.

I remember the truck gag, with the shot of the truck hitting the camera. I said to him, “How are you going to get this? Because you want it to be really badass.” He says, “I’ve got a way.” They bought a mirror and put it on a wooden frame and they put it in the middle of the road, 45 degrees to the camera and to the truck — the truck and the camera were at 90 degrees from each other. The stunt driver blasted this big semi-truck right into the mirror and just drove right through it, smashed the shit out of it. The camera was 30 feet away, safe off on the side of the road.

[On similarities between Modell and Walter White] I guess there are similarities. I am kind of the last one to figure these things out. They usually have to be told to me.

Polygon interview.