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Interview: Cloke & Hamblin on Rm9

A recent interview with the writers of The X-Files season 11 episode 11X07: Rm9sbG93ZXJz aka “Followers”: Kristen Cloke-Morgan and Shannon Hamblin, from the “Hey That’s Me” podcast. There’s quite a bit of repetition compared to an interview with Cloke from two years ago for The X-Files Diaries. Here are the highlights:

Most importantly:

  • Glen offered them to write the episode. During s11 there was a concern that there were not enough female writers, they decided to turn over some episodes to other writers. [Just in case there was any doubt left: Gillian Anderson’s public comments had a positive, immediate and concrete impact on the making of the show: had she not made these comments, this would have been a purely Glen Morgan episode, and I suppose 11X09: Nothing Lasts Forever would have been a Wong-only episode. Gillian’s comments were made in June 2017, the female writers were announced in August, the original script draft (white production) is dated 17 October and there were script revisions to 5 November.]

Also:

  • Shannon was a fan of TXF. She met Glen Morgan because a science fiction script she wrote got to him. [Looks like this was not produced — her IMDb page is quite empty.] She was a writers assistant during TXF s11.
  • Glen guided them throughout with story notes and corrections.
  • Darin Morgan looked at their story cards; he was the one that suggested the blob fish.
  • Glen wanted 4 things: the Tay tweets, drones, AI, no dialogue.
  • Kristen: there’s too much dialogue, David’s funny and they kept his improvised lines, but they could have been more disciplined. [I agree! It would have been great if there was absolutely no dialogue until the very last scene.]
  • Praise for production designer Mark Freeborn [TXF s10-11, IWTB, MM s1-2-3]. They both loved the sushi restaurant. It was a store of some kind before becoming that set.
  • Kristen did the voice of Wendy (at Scully’s house).
  • They were both on set for the whole shoot for about 3 weeks (except for Kristen for the final scene at the cafe). It was really freezing and raining a lot. It was shot around end of October-beginning of November. It’s rare that writers get invited on set, especially if it’s out of town, but this happened with TXF.
  • Mulder’s house exterior was shot on location; the interior was a rebuilt set at a studio. Scully’s house was a real house.
  • There were about 8 drones on set, they were replicated with CGI.
  • They storyboarded everything. Despite no dialogue, the script was about the typical length.
  • Gillian didn’t know the “Treat Your Children” song, and Shannon did a karaoke version in front of the whole crew during the shoot, the crew joined in the singing.
  • The end scenes were shot at a plastic bottle making factory.
  • “This Man” appearing in every episode: this was a joke between Glen and Kristen’s daughter Greer. [As could be expected — no “alternate universe” theories were mentioned.]
  • Above Scully’s head there’s a drawing made by Kristen’s young son. [Unclear where this is: at the final drone scene, or at the final cafe scene. It’s not the robot Nighthawks.]

And also this unexpected bit of information:

  • Kristen originally auditioned for Scully. [This is the first time I hear of this! Imagine what could have been. Kristen as Scully, Gillian as Lara Means. Sacrilege: it could have worked!]

Eleanor Infante interview

Still trying to catch up with recent interviews — here is one with Eleanor Infante, editor of 4 episodes in The X-Files season 11, with the “Hey Danny, it’s Mulder” podcast. Some interesting insights here:

  • She talks about working within the strict boundaries of length for commercial cuts in network television, as opposed to much more flexibility in streaming. [I think that can be negative as much as positive, as it inserts tightness in script and editing.]
  • Glen Morgan brought her to TXF. They did “Lore” together before (and worked on “The Twilight Zone” since).
  • She had never watched the show. As she was editing her episodes, she was watching a top 30 of episodes as per a list by Vulture.
  • Interesting difference in working methods between the two brothers: Glen lets editor give him what she wants, he is a collaborator, he takes what others suggest; whereas Darin is very specific about what he wants, she was a help for his vision.
  • 11X02: This: for the group approaching the Mulder & Scully house in the teaser, Glen was inspired by Peter Weir’s “Witness”, with the dread of the cops approaching the Amish. He also wanted to use the Ramones song.
  • 11X04: The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat: Darin is a perfectionist genius. He is all about language, rhythm. He sat with her and went through all the takes. She was the one who suggested to him that they use the a capella version of the main theme!
  • 11X07: Rm9…/Followers: she had fun inserting draft sounds in the editing, Glen liked almost everything, then the sound department replicated it. The voice of the AI would have been Stephen Hawking himself, they were talking with his estate, but he was ill [he died just months later, in March 2018].
  • 11X10: My Struggle IV: Build trust with the director-producer to take initiative, and move things around even if it was not scripted. She did that in this episode. Carter asked her to do an audio commentary of the episode.

Interview: Kristen Cloke-Morgan

Another interview courtesy of the X-Files Diaries podcast, this time with Kristen Cloke-Morgan (Glen Morgan’s wife and creative partner), talking in-depth about the revival episode that she co-wrote, the memorable no-dialogue AI episode. Quick notes below:

On “The Field Where I Died“: she thinks the background of her character was that she was probably abused as a child, every time she got in a difficult spot she escaped into another personality.

On “Rm9…“, which she calls “Followers“:

  • Glen Morgan had 3 ideas: drones, no dialogue, AI (maybe?)
  • She and co-writer Shannon Hamblin boarded the episode at the Morgans’ garage, then photographed the cards and took them to Vancouver for Glen to give notes. It was a collaborative writing process.
  • They had done an episode of “Space: Above and Beyond” with no dialogue.
  • The actors liked it.
  • Scully wearing more comfortable clothes and shoes was not her input.
  • The funny bits are Shannon’s, she’s more serious.
  • There are few women in TXF. It would have been awkward if a man had written Scully with a vibrator. The vibrator design had to be approved by the studio! The vibrator idea came out of research they did on connected devices.
  • They were able to have notes and rewrites on the spot in Vancouver, they were there during prep. They produced their own episode, like Carter had writers do back then, now writers don’t do that any more.
  • Many of the crew in Vancouver they knew, collaboration was great.
  • Scott Stence (?) did the videos and graphics, he came up with the design for the smiley face, she had him add teeth to make it more creepy. “Scott is coming for dinner” on Scully’s fridge was an easter egg, it was not scripted.
  • Hand holding at the end was Glen’s idea, about connection.
  • Mulder’s line “why is your house better than mine?” was improvisation by Duchovny, they kept it in.
  • Shooting in Mulder’s house was very cold.
  • They removed the last line of Scully replying “we can’t teach them to care”, they rewrote that line a lot, maybe it was Glen that cut it out.
  • It’s inevitable that, where it can, AI will replace humans. But it can’t write something that will move you like TXF episodes written by humans.
  • In the Tay experiment [Microsoft AI chatbot on Twitter], the female-looking AI was abused by males and taught racist sexist things. She was moved by that.
  • Robots and AI are much more frequent now vs 2017. Glen used AI images to help for movie pitches. She feels like she is participating in teaching it, and is reluctant.
  • She had ELO songs in the script originally; she is a Prince fan.
  • When Mulder and Scully got out of the restaurant, a hug was scripted but a kiss was shot, it was cut out.
  • Anderson didn’t remember the song “Teach your children well”, Shannon led a rendition for her.
  • She was amazed at the set of the sushi restaurant, by set designer Mark Freeborn. She was impressed by the robot wranglers, the programmers for the robots’ movements, the drones people. There were few robots on set, they were duplicated digitally.
  • An important distinction vs TXF in the 90s: with politics now, you believe in the truth you want to believe, you create your own reality, instead of believing in The Truth.

(Photo of Kristen from PhileFest, from X-Files News)

https://xfilesdiaries.libsyn.com/145-interview-with-kristen-cloke-morgan